Production of the Mk 1 Brodie helmets . The insignia is for the US 77th Division. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. dailyinfo[21]=' L/32287 Driver John Frampton GAZE "O" Bty. Do you know if he wasa civilian at this time, and could you take a photo of the inside of the helmet for me, and what. The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). helmet Bowl-shaped steel helmet showing remains of crude dappled camouflage colours of light brown and mid-green on an apple green field. Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA. The asbestos pad is quite safe it is only the thickness of thick paper, my only doubt is the chin strap mounts they are, riveted the British used split pins. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Sign up for a new account in our community. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. MK1 British WW1 Brodie Helmet with liner - Soldier of Fortune Welcome to the forum, is the red definitely paint? Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. It was owing to its shape that the German forces on the Western Front began to refer to the helmet as the Salatschssel or salad bowl. The helmet was then heat cured creating a hard durable textured finish. These heavy finishes were field or depot applied. It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. I helmet was made up of 12 percent manganese. Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. A Kevlar casque, covered in a sheath of pale-brown desert camouflage cloth, it has a neoprene olive-drab band around the helmet's lower rim, with the soldier's name embroidered on it in black.. First questions and then the story. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' // Stop Define Variables for days of the month I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. He worked at the Houses of Parliament (I cant quite remember what position he held but I will ask my step father tomorrow) and he was good friends with Sir Winston Churchill and attended various dinners with him, one of which we have the original letter and menu for. NPB. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. You can post now and register later. Few military helmets, whether in modern times, or further back, have the distinction of being used in over ten major wars. The threads that discuss the helmet will contain lots more information. It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. Liner Fibre M-1. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. I'm putting in a picture. He did work there before the war but we are not sure if he held that position pre-war. document.write; Looks like an original Mk2 shell, obviously repainted. the corners been cut off, can't make out the shape in the photo. Thanks for the info lads. By this time a number of additional changes had been introduced to the rim design and the helmet was now known as the Mark I. The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. The color of paint used by both the British and American manufactures do show some similarity. It's easy! After 1936 a new helmet was produced by McCord Radiator Co, the helmets were stamped with 1 or 2 digit numbers, and 1 letter on the rim, all the helmets have the same paint and texture when in factory condition unlike the modified. This cloth by it very nature blended in well and covered up any shiny paint on the helmets finish. Although to the untrained eye the helmets may look the same, it in the small details where the differences may be observed. This is due to the split rivet shearing away from strain and the near constant moister of the Western Front. The liner can always be a replacementthough that style screams WWI and should be held in place with a rivet.. The Liner maker is R.H.Long 1917 and the other liner stamp mark could be an Army. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt with a steel harness rivet. This is an excellent . It's the bottom left helmet in the photo (sorry this is the only one he has) I know that's not a lot to go on, but can anyone gather some info from this? Brodie Helmet ID? The shell is an American made M1917A1 made by the ( McCord Radiator Co ) the heat stamp number( 10C ). The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. More innovatively the steel cap was also used as a multi-purpose device by American soldiers during the Second World War. There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: WW1: Combat helmet technology - the Brodie steel helmet New user here. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. As the use of the helmet spread it became known by several other names, including the shrapnel helmet, the battle bowler (owing to its resemblance to a bowler hat), the Tommy helmet (owing to its employment by American troops), the tin hat and the doughboy helmet, doughboy being a widely used name for American infantrymen during the First World War. View detail. Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks WW1 British Brodie Helmet recovered from the SOMME. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, "I pressed forward with the others to watch the United States physically entering the War, so god-like, so magnificent, so splendidly unimpaired in comparison with the tired nerve-racked men of the British Army. If it is red paint then I would agree with Colin that fire serviceis likely, perhaps even from an RAF base. var fontstart = '' The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. This is an excellent true combat example of a genuine Canadian Mark 1 steel helmet that is dated 1941. It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. By holding a British shell in one hand and an American shell in the other the weight difference is obvious. Brodie helmets - How to identify By depaor01 4 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia depaor01 Old Sweats 2.2k Location:Dublin, Ireland Posted 4 January , 2013 Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? 4th Bn. Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. Itsin rough shape and I have yet to find a manufacture/heat stamp. So is there actually a difference? Mar 18, 2023 (2) WWI US ARMY DOUGHBOY COMBAT HELMETS $50. Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. 1st Bn. MILITARIA COLLECTING Want to read more? dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. The first to develop an effective helmet were the French who had developed the steel Adrian helmet by the summer of 1915. Worchester Pressed Steel Co - Worchester - Massachusetts. That's interesting that he was a staff member, because staff members were asked to volunteer to help in fire watching duties, with miles of corridors and hundreds of offices to check. About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. Me and a mate found. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' ( ZA-Marks belong to the Crosby Manufacturing Co. ), ( ZB-Marks are thought to belong to the Worchester Pressed Steel Co. ), ( ZC-Marks belong to Edward. on the American helmets they look very crudely overlapped. Accordingly many countries have used the M1 themselves until recently, while a small number of countries continue to use this Second World War helmet in their armed forces. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Missing the chinstrap and liner. I'm sorry I could not find a post 1916 stamp (see below for two examples of post Aug 1916 stamps. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. Pasted as rich text. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) All orders are shipped the same day from within the USA. Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. You can contact the auctioneer on +353 1 282 6107 for more information. This was particularly the case when it came to trench warfare where shrapnel and debris rained down on soldiers heads from above. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The series of number which follow the manufacture mark is a heating lot number used by the factory in the manufacturing process. I am also unsure whether he began workingin Parliament before or after the war, i will be able to tell you tomorrow though. Nevertheless there was some effort to produce a more advanced version of the M1917. Yes would be very interested to see the other documents, menu and any other informationyou have as these might help with identifying the letters on the helmet. Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. Brodie Helmet - Etsy dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. In total the steel cap, liner and the accoutrements such as the chinstrap weighed 2.85 pounds or 1.29 kgs. The Both the liners and the chinstrap on the British and its American cousin are almost identical. dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. By Danish m23. It is very hard to tell from the photo. The helmet istself is a Mk.1* but i have looked and cannot find any manufacturer stamps on either the helmet or liner/strap. arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. . if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } A later study at the end of the Second World War would show that approximately 54% of bullets which hit the M1 of servicemen in Europe and the Pacific failed to penetrate the helmet. BRODIE HELMET $110. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. were refurbished and modified with a new leather liner and web chinstrap. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press via AP) - 2NHRH10 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. It's easy! WWII British Army MKII Brodie Helmet and Liner Restoration Service Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. And this only accounts for its use by the American military. The American shell is heavier. For slow learners: A Brodie is simply the design of British Army helmet worn in both WWI and WW2, and not a particular type of WWI helmet? Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. Index CEF Helmets - Kaiser's Bunker // Stop Define Variables for days of the month Most American helmets lack manufacture marks. M42 winter camo. For a quarter of a century between the early stages of the First World War through to the first years of the Second World War the Brodie was the standard issue headgear for all British troops. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. [1] Contents 1 Background dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941. dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. You can post now and register later. Helmets and Headgear, Shortly after the US declaration of war in April of 1917 the US ordered around 400,000 helmets from the British for use by, the American Expeditionary Force. By Category. A few have turned up with manufacture marks similar to those found on British shells A number of firms made P17s for the U.S. Military. April 2, 2014 in Generally soldiers were still being issued cloth caps or leather headgear of a kind which offered little or no protection from modern artillery and the shrapnel which sprayed out from it. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' WWII British Army MKII Brodie Helmet and Liner Restoration Service RESTORATION SERVICE ONLY. WW1 Brodie Helmet - Fallout 4 Mod Requests - The Nexus Forums It was made of mild steel originally, but this was quickly dispensed with and a harder type of steel was introduced alloyed with manganese, a mixture known as Hadfield Steel after its developer, the English metallurgist, Sir Robert Hadfield. blunderbuss2 5 years ago. Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. As for suppliers I found another list with a few more names that were missing from Scott's list. if (year < 1000) year+=1900 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. In the case of the British Mark I there is typically a letter followed by a slash followed by another letter. of a WW1 helmet this normally means it's milder steel used and not for combat use. It does not have that stamp so it is probably one from world war 2 then. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd He worked in Eastgate House, Exter. The Brodie has been described by the Imperial War Museum as "a masterpiece of simple design", while militaria expert Martin Pegler calls it "the most instantly recognisable symbol of the British Tommy", although most troops would not have referred to it by by the same name. So just a shell with an unknown unit marking probably . Thanks for these pictures! (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. What to Look for When Buying a WWII M1 Helmet (Beginner's Guide) The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. Thanks Leon21. Home Front Tin Helmets - Key Military The helmet has been varnished. Firth & Sons. http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet, Tommy helmet, or Tin Hat, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. In 1940 a Parliamentary Home Guard unit "The Palace of Westminster Company" was established, consisting of around one hundred Members and staff of both Houses. Brodie Helmets - Gentleman's Military Interest Club The helmet resembles an upside down dishpan or washbasin in that it consists of a bowl-shaped cap and a large uniform brim running around the entire exterior. NOT JUST RESTORATION. The liner should be afixed in the helmet using a single copper rivet that is peened. accross the pond,? dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). UK 155428944961. It was also used regularly for cooking or heating up food, though the practice was discouraged, as over time it made the metal more brittle and the helmet less effective at protecting the wearer if he was shot in the head. British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. ''Everyday you think of living. Primary blast wave protection in combat helmet design: A - PLOS Available on our website now The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. June 9, 2018 in The original and very distinctive steel helmet adopted by Great Britain was designed and patented in 1915 by its inventor, John L Brodie. In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. After the war he was, as prior stated, he held a very high position and worked in surveying land and buildings for military purposes, including Goonhilly which was his most famous and he even chose that name. Your previous content has been restored. 3rd Bn. Category:Brodie helmets - Wikimedia Commons A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. The first Brodie helmets entered service in September 1915 but the number of them being produced at this early date was so limited that they were stored in the trenches and given to individuals who were most susceptible to attacks on a given day.
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