Despite search teams, which included dogs and helicopters, there were no . This would mean that this photo possibly shows the entrance to a cave leading inside the wall of rock behind it. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. So sad what happened to them today is the first Ive heard of the story and its wildly upsetting. That is not a cave or a ravine behind her. One thing which confused me were the bras the smaller one looks more like a bikini top. His . Honestly Ive hiked by myself before on a well known trail by my college and when I saw the American flag waving in the middle of the woods I was more scared than anything!!! I also see something above the brown circle, like a ring of colored balls or ???? Where is the Ping for that time? Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. Didnt they cross the line where it had a clear sign not to cross it? History is not a science but it can include some science. ), which doesnt look natural. This photo has been edited. . There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 I think it would be nice for a botanist to take a look at the vegetation. Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been recovered, officials said. Personally, I believe that number one mentioned above is the most likely reason. Cave photo: Minha Querida menina. Is it possible that Kris and Lisanne reached this field with fencing (past the second stream crossing) and mistook this place to be a different entry to the farm areas which are closer to the trail head ? Think. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. Froonand Kremerswere both in their early 20s; they traveled toPanama to work with children. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. Also, aserial killer might have stalkedtheir area at the time. WHY? The mystery remains unsolved to this day, and there is still little certainty around the tragic deaths of the two Dutch students. Where is YNW Melly? Kris walks down the ravine and bends over to examine orange graffiti This either meant Lisanne Froon was conscious while Kris was not, and tried to call emergency services, or that a third party tried to get into her phone but didnt succeed. Is the time that photo was taken known? Interesting that you. Im always looking for answers. The authors told The Daily Beast: "It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. The women wanted to see as much of Boquete as possible,hiring a guide to showthem around on April 2, 2014. Two young women, who dont take any risks, go for a trip in the jungle and get lost in a mysterious way? What kind of twisted f*ck stick makes this kind of comment? Even rainwater gets heavy enough to destroy electronics inside of a backpack yet that didnt happen. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. This is why the ping data can help because it can show if they were in one place or moving. To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. I suspect the food may have been left with them when they were abandoned by drug traffickers (who initially abducted them on April 1st) after Kris was hurt crossing the monkey bridge. There seems to be no pictures of the dog. The bones of Lisannes foot were fractured in an unusual way (from the top down). There are no public statistics. What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. In the first half of this year, tourist arrivals fell globally by more than 65 percent, with a near halt since Aprilcompared with 8 percent during the global financial crisis and 17 percent amid the SARS epidemic of 2003, according to ongoing IMF research on tourism in a post-pandemic world. Photo link: They are 99.999999% preventable. Here is the comparison: And hen you have body parts belonging to other persons also found with these girls. It seems likely it was tribal. Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. The main/central support bar (branch?) I have one questions for you, regarding the 90 photos taken at night: if these were not taken by one of the girls in an attempt to provide light or whatever, what possible purpose could anyone else, such as an attacker, have in taking these photos? The dog came back, but the young women didn't. It is extremely easy to photoshop a photo once it has been darkened. In image 505, it is around 4:30 PM on April 1st. The predator is methodical. Both of these photos were photoshopped! Nothing. Of course, there are always exceptions. I havent seen any discussions on this. Possibly ambushed and didnt have time? It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. But then Im immediately confronted with conflicting evidence to suggest otherwise. I upscaled that image with AI correction and its 100x more clear that there is obviously a trap or makeshift roofing above her. You have a good eye! As soon as I zoomed in, my heart sank for her. The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. Thorough job, very insightful and so well done Please visit Panama and further investigate. There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. play. From 508 onward. What do you think?? It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. There is definitely a face on that the post/tree to the right of Kris. The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. Tony and Debra Velleman are pictured in an undated image. He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. The dog ran away and they followed it into the woods to try to get it back? We have 5 people ending up dead, and the skulls of the girls are never found. https://u.cubeupload.com/beavermatic/KrisKremersFullPhoto.jpg, Her hands are not tied behind her back! Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. Rights of initiation? This leads me to believe that they were followed by one or more men who made their presence known around that time. On April 3, 2014, authorities began an aerial search of the forests and an on-foot search ofBoquete. Even at this point, I still think theres a lot that can be achieved from gathering information and further evaluating the existing evidence. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. I searched Google and I found the complete photo with the highest resolution possible. Most of the tourists come from the United States, Canada, Europe, Central America, and South America. L&K photographed every part of the walk from the farm up to the summit; dog appears in none of their photos. (who knows why). The red and black objects look like bolt cutters or tree cutter. If you take small part of a bigger image and blow it up to match the size/aspect ratio of other photos on the card, it will still keep the same number of pixels per square inch, but they will become much bigger. Is this in dispute? So this photo may possibly offer more insight into the story. Not lurking or following the girls or walking beside them; nothing. If you would know (and read) every bits & pieces of this story, you would actually see that the they got lost theory does not hold up with any of the facts and evidence found, not at all, not one bit. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. There are no discernible scratches of any kind on the bones, neither of natural nor cultural origin there are no marks on the bones at all. Thanks for sharing this info. Both were never seen again, The Sun reports. One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. The black and red object above is clearly a decayed plant leaf. Was the reception that bad in those locations? Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. Lisanne's bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally - but Kris' bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in her death. It suggest that this case goes deeper than we imagine. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. You can bet your life if someone was with them at that point, then they were the culprits who had something to do with the girls disappearance. You can find more information about on this article: https://imperfectplan.com/2021/02/24/kremers-froon-new-case-data-timestamps-of-missing-daytime-photos/. Tuesday morning, Velleman and Borries were recovered from inside the plane, according to Albert Lewitinn, a representative for the Velleman family. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. If they did, then Im wondering if the dog named Blue went with them or was allowed in the taxi. However, a lot of the photos seem to have been tampered with and one of them was even deleted from their camera, which could only have been done using a computer. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Thanks, John. After exhaustive thought, my theory: First, respect to family, friends, and the good. Thanks for the analysis though, I keep looking for new stuff, this case really gets to meI can see why people think this was a criminal act -I see that with some aspects of the case, however, I do think that it was the result of injury and or getting lost -I cant see a criminal 1) letting them keep their phones and camera and 2) letting the camera and phones being discovered. The chain of custody is muddy. We live in interesting times. Im impressed how you were able to see the other things in the photo. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. Kriss bones had unnatural traces of phosphorus. They protested in China - now they've gone missing. Nobody knows what happened to Kris and Lisanne and everything is open to speculation until more information is found. Your email address will not be published. However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. Hi Chris, i uploaded the photo to show what i see. Could be leaves, I suppose, but to me it looks like someone is looking at the them from the vegetation. There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? I speculate about potential reasons. This means either the user became incapacitated and was not operating the phone or was seriously confused. These photos all look very photoshopped. Again, these are just observations. So this sparked my curiosity. They added a caution sign after their disappearance for this exact reason. And the weird flesh colored thing hanging in the tree to her left could be a skinned animal. December 12, 2022. These are all similar in so many of the cases in his Missing 411 series. One thing is for sure, I will never travel to Panama. The biggest danger for travelers in Central America is crime. Wearing minimal clothing, no knife of compass which were left in their room. With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season., Winning Photos from the 2018 Nikon Small World Competition, Incredible Time-lapse Shot from the International Space Station at Night, Intense Macro Photos of Ants Battling to the Death, Surprising Underwater Photo Revives Investigation of Missing Teen, Hacker Hoodie Blinds Surveillance Cameras with Infrared Light, Couple Finds Trove of 2,000 Cameras and Lenses in Storage Unit, Hyper-Realistic AI Face Filter Shocks TikTok Users, AI Tool Reveals How Celebrities Faces Have Been Photoshopped, The Exposure Donut for Sony Cameras Simplifies Manual Exposure. Panamas government is stuck in a desperate position. "I saw a child get dragged down the river when he let go of his parents' hands. For goodness sake, why do people make things up? It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. And that looks to be a stocker style stand. , I could be wrong but scanning through the comments didnt see some of these things being discussed, & thought Id put my 2 sense in! He has a weapon like o jr t in his hands. After cops searched the area where the backpack was found, they discovered Kris' clothes neatly folded along the edge of the river. Im happy my work could shed some light on the possible items in the picture. But by April 6, the girls were still missing. Yes, you are correct that numerous communities do work hard to bring criminals to justice. And I cannot fathom standing this way, hands behind the back and turned like that unless my hands were restricted behind my back. How many tourists go missing in Australia each year? My husband is a mountain climber and when hes out, the mountain rescue flys multiple times a day because hikers overestimate their abilities in the german Alps, not anywhere in the jungle. As we all know, hitting delete never actually deletes files therefore overwriting the files is the only effective method to cleaning old data. Thank you so much for walking the walk. Im sure removal of the comment was justified, but in considering all possibilities Im curious if there was there any insight offered? EERIE photos discovered on a camera belonging to two missing hikers revealed their mysterious final moments before both girls vanished in the jungle in Panama. Do you think this could be at all relevant? And more on this most people in Latin America that permit their dog to walk freely do not keep track of where their dog goes. He has collected much that is out there but still the majority is second hand and we have no information as to the voracity. So, when locals look at you sideways as they glance, glare, or even stare at your shorts and sandals, do not be offended or surprised. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. There has recently been something in the news about it. I believe that the LA Times article is more informative, so Ive updated the link in my writing above. Photo 509 was removed first. Theymade numerous emergency calls afew hours into their hike; logs show they managed to connect only oncedue to poor reception in the forest. The following insight will make not make much sense to you if you dont know their story. Her hands could be tied behind her back but, if this is the case, then much computer editing was involved because other photos that come AFTER this one in camera sequence show Kriss walking ahead of Lisanne WITHOUT her hands tied behind her back. She has no idea that her parents are about to arrive in Panama. More than 100 pictureswere on the camera; the first few looked like normal tourist photos with the womensmiling together. Why would they remove them? Thanks un advance, Lyn Carmichael. She turned around and they snapped a photo. They keep trying to call emergency. Just behind her tied hand area. According to one web sleuth, the snaps taken on the camera a week after the girls vanished might have been taken with the flash to light up the path as they stumbled through the dark jungle. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. I am thinking while I am writing so please be patient with me. A search eventually turned up a severed foot and scattered remains, but authorities had trouble determininghow the hikershad died. On the other hand, its more dangerous and risky. The families are now working on having the womens' remains brought back to the U.S., he said. Oy vey I didnt catch this before, but seeing it now it sort of made my eyes water a bit. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? My sole concern is for the young women who lost their lives for absolutely no reason. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. Jump forward to Boquette now and you will see a photo of the girls in the street, and behind them is a shirtless fat white man. The ambulatory friend began to assess how she might reach her friend, but underestimated the difficulty involved, thereby becoming less able to extricate herself from the jungle. If someone died, you would certainly write, Body can be found at xyz.. She cant be shielding her eyes from the sun, as no shadow is falling over her eyes. if you break your ankle in a fall and die your foot is likely to be found IN the shoe as is what happened. This would cover natural causes and the rucksack contents being in perfect condition. I wonder why the girls didnt do any text messages even if they never got through? Eight tourists from Moscow who. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. I dont think so. We are dealing with history here. Very interesting.. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. The rock in the riverbed is very distinctive was this location ever found and explored? After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? Also and I am assuming the phones where in their possession the phones actually did acquire a signal some times but clearly they were not being used so they did not know. I see nothing extraordinary in this photo, without stretching imagination. I would think they had to be pretty far into the jungle to have come across that slat roof structure. When the girls were vacationing in South Panama it shows a photo of them in the ocean, and behind them in the ocean is a fat white man seemingly staring at them. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Auto Reset and Continuous. This is relevant because if the camera was on Auto Reset and 509 was deleted before 510 was taken, then the camera would use image 509 again. This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. Caruso, 56, died on June 17 after staying at the Boca Chica Resort in Santo Domingo. IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? The blue object looks like it could be a crushed beer can. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. It appears to me that Kris has her right arm to her right temple and you can see part of her left elbow. View our online Press Pack. None of the calls ever got through due to a lack of a signal. Before that, in image 507 & 508, you can see Kris in a stiff, nervous posture, because the girls saw someone they were afraid of closing in. Teams investigatedfor 10 days; their hunt scaled down on April 14, 2014, though continued on for 10more weeks. ABC News had previously reached out to the U.S. Embassy in Panama for comment but did not receive a response. I am from Panama, and I know that there are way more dangerous drug and crime cartels active in remote parts of the country than officials want to admit to because the tourism would be affected. Basically akin to that in the movie the predator. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. One question sticking to the government interference and coverup, with the deletion of a photo (nr, 531?) Its texture and color seemingly resembles the red bag tied to the SOS stick on the rock later on, imo. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. Is it possible that there is a building or some sort of structure behind the vegetation? Political corruption runs rampant, depending on the community, which has a cascading effect on law enforcement and local crime. It does not make sense to me. I never received a response. Her hands are *not* tied behind her back. "Tourism contributes 10% to EU GDP and creates jobs for 26 million people," notes the European Union Tourism Trends report. & the way the local police handled it seems so botched making it stranger, & why keep some pictures hidden from the public still, especially if the case is closed now? Shes clearly holding a bottle of water in her left hand in front of her. Full remains were found soon afterward and were assumed to be the two missing women. Or whoever deleted the photos may have overlooked to delete this one as they could have done it in a hurry as well. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. Subsequent analysis revealed that on April 4, Froons phone battery became exhausted, but between April 5 and April 11, Kremers iPhone was turned on multiple times but whoever turned it on didnt enter the PIN code correctly. Probably the culprit or stupid tribe didnt delete anything coz they took pictures on purpose .for example to sell the footage .but allready the police or parents who asked the investigator to delete it .they just simply didnt want to show it to everyone. Seriously? The internet does not have the most crucial information about the case. Websites/blogs speculate about why, but nothing has been confirmed. There is so much to see and Juan is amazing. Thats perplexing to me. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? The problem with the links you are providing is not that the links themselves are necessarily unsafe (they could be, but we wont test them)the problem is that ALL of your links require users to download some form of content. The rich pay for their own security and the poor resort to vigilantism. The police, the media attention, the suspicions on him. A path looks different anyway when you walk back the other way so they would not be aware they were not heading the right way and carried on. They decided to enter the jungle, but they failed to mark their entry point into the jungle with a stack of rocks or some such marking. Had someone told them about something worth seeing? It is the morning of April 8th. I dont see what the writer sees at all. I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. The dog found his way home. While I was reading over the story again, I decided to review their photos one more time. Bu that he meant an outcome which had no human input to the consequences. However, her surroundings were my intended focus regarding this photo theres a lot of things in this photo that havent been discussed elsewhere and could provide clues as to what happened to them. JW, I agree with you totally, thanks for your intelligent remarks! I wanted to her a benefit of the doubt before I came across this article, yes she did mention red and black feathers on a piece of wood and turquoise pendant and a white mask. They couldnt have been that far away from the return trail to Boquette. All comments are held for moderation prior to being published. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. Call us in Washington, D.C. at 1-888-407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1-202-501-4444 (from all other countries) from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). Is there somebody behind the insignia? Most of the bones were never found. Our team is planning to go to Panama later this year (2021) to collect information involving the case. Does anyone else see what looks like the back of someones head, their bare back and arm inside the manmade circular object? Either way, itll be interesting to see. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System reported that more than 600,000 people go missing in the US every year, but the majority are quickly . Hi Chris, good question. Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? Most dog owners here do not use a leash when walking their dogs. i found it hard to understand and pickup any of the highlighted objects.i grew up in a tropical country and spent a lot of my childhood exploring woods and secondary jungles around my home with my friendsthe way i see it is that the girl have encountered a thick unpenetrable undergrowth at the end of some sort of a gorge.maybe in an effort to find a way through or out of it.when youre at ground level in a jungle its just a green world and colour hues jumbled up in some sort of a mess.and after a while you started noticing odds shapes n colours through the leavesoccassinally there will be thrash thrown around.just my thoughts. I think the camera dried and started working again and they took pictures at night. This level of negligence and irresponsibility would be considered criminal in a developed country. Happy reading! Also I wish we new more details on the phones. Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. Yes, exactly. Rarely are foreigners targeted for a reason other than pure opportunity.
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